The woman seen in 16:10 "Marge Rull" was actually my folk dance teacher and I remember her mentioning this to a student once when they were scared of performing. A powerful way of using the incident.
The sinking of the Estonia is one of the least mysterious shipwrecks I know of. The bow visor locks simply weren’t up to modern standards. The ship had previously operated mostly in coastal areas where the sea conditions weren't particularly rough. It only started sailing between Tallinn and Stockholm in early 1993, and the conditions on that route are rougher than anywhere else in the Baltic Sea. The locking mechanism of the bow visor was too weak for such conditions, there was a severe storm on the night of the sinking, and the ship was traveling far too fast. It’s no surprise the bow visor failed, especially since there had already been issues with it before. Several former crew members have testified to this.
There’s also nothing unusual about the ship sustaining damage during the sinking. Some people seem to think that a sinking vessel gently floats down to the seabed like a falling leaf, but in reality, the impact is incredibly hard due to the ship’s massive weight. The water also creates significant resistance during the descent. Estonia’s stern hit the seabed first, and only after that did the ship slowly roll onto its side. Anyone with common sense can imagine the physical forces at play in such a situation, and no ship’s hull is built to withstand that kind of strain. I would have been astounded if the Estonia hadn’t sustained new damage during the sinking. The damage has only become visible now because the wreck is no longer in the exact same position as right after the sinking. The seabed or wreckage has likely shifted slightly over the years, revealing damage that wasn’t visible before.
Yes. Where is Avo Piht? Was he onboard, what was his role, was he really saved and brought to Turku University hospital? What new information can anybody have without diving to the wreck. And even if someone dives there, can he tell us anything new. Finally, if something possibly relevant is found down there, who is going interpret and explain the meaning of the finding. And who is going to believe anything? We are in such a phase that I just wait for someone connecting the Estonia accident and the Baltic sea anomaly somehow.
There is point of view which are based on public media but rarely spoken about. Before the Estonia sank, ms Diana II had issues with the bow visor. The Diana II was only about one year older than Estonia, built by the same ship builder and designed for the same route and operator the Estonia was initially sailing on. Some thirty years earlier, ms Apollo had serious problems with its visor. The ship was far smaller than the Estonia and Diana II, but the construction was quite a similar visor. The risks of the construction were known. Ms Svea and ms Wellamo, designed for the same Turku – Stockholm route but sailed by another operator, had a different bow gate and ramp system. These ships were built some five years after the V. Sally/Estonia and Diana II. So, the Meyer ship yard was on a thin ice when accusing the shipowners. Or at least, to make me change my mind, I have to get some new information.
About the conspiracies, there are always those who cannot accept the possibility of genuine unconsciousness. The more years pass the less likely we are to get any new information. The wreck is decaying, memories are altered, photos are bleached, persons directly involved with the accident will die one by one. The less we know and remember, the easier it is to fudge up misinformation. And sadly, there are always those who feel intelligent when they believe in anything that is not official. Sadly, they are nowadays able to find each other.
In order to respect victims, their families, rescue crews and anybody really involved in the accident, questions should be ansered if possible and rumours should not be shared. Sometimes telling the truth and a rumour apart is difficult, but in many cases we can know which one we hear.
I feel so embarrassed about how Sweden carried out this investigation. I think the decision to declare the boat wreck a gravesite, and in cosequence make it illegal to visit it for further investigations, was because the option to recover the bodies was considered too dangerous for divers to carry out. So instead the authorities wanted to protect the bodies where they laid, for instance from plunderers, by making it illegal to visit the gravesite. But making it in cosequence impossible to continue/repoen the investigation on the boat wreck at a later time was an incredibly stupid decision, also because the survivors never asked for this grave peace. I think they rather wanted the investigation to continue to get a clearer picture on what caused the accident, instead of covering it up with concrete. I blame the social democrats for this one, they were sitting in government during this time.
Your work is always excellent. I have watched a few accounts of the Estonia including from Oceanliner Design YT channel, which also explained this quite well. Congratulations on your new car and look forward to more of this series. Best.
What was the name of the lying "documentary", which presented edited technical images from the official investigation document as truth and actually went to the accident site and supposedly couldn't find the (bed)rock there, only two meters or so from the wreck?
A huge tragedy for Estonia and Sweden. Also shocking and traumatizing for Finland that coordinated the rescue.
I'm a frequent passenger on these ferries, including the vessel that was in charge of the first response. When it arrived at the site, M/S Estonia had already gone underwater.
Can't believe that it's been 30 years. There's not one cruise when I don't take a moment to think about what happened.
Helicopter rescue operations were televised. We watched the news in school instead of classes that morning. I believe, though, that the nearby ferries took in most of the survivors before dawn.
As the day went on, it became clear that there wouldn't be many survivors at all. Those who managed to get out and on a life raft were suffering from severe hypothermia, and those who were in the water were simply too exhausted to keep their heads above water, even with a life vest on.
The weather was bad. The waves were said to be over three stories high.
I think that conspiracy theories are fueled by the human mind's resistance to accept that people could suffer such a horrible fate. We like to think there's something we could do but the truth is that it was so quick that most people onboard didn't even stand a chance.
You didn't mention that television crews recorded the captain of estonia getting into an ambulance after the sinking,never to be seen again. I have seen the clip myself. Why and where was he taken?
Ferry/ship accidents really terrify me. In Asia, and especially in the Philippines and Indonesia, they happen much too frequently. I can't imagine how terrifying the sea is at night.
Quite a lot of controversial ferry accidents in Scandinavia. Estonia, Scandinavia star, ss københavn, m/s Skagerak, kjøbenhavn, mv Wilhelm gustloff, Goya etc.
The problem with some of the people who believe in these bomb and submarine theories is that they will never believe the explanations that won't comply with their beliefs. I am from Estonia myself and I remember the disaster. I was 7 years old at the time but still. I am an engineer now and granted I'm not a maritime engineer but I still have quite good understanding of physics. The fact is that the only way to make a ship like that capsize as fast as she did is to mess up its balance. And the easiest way to do that is to flood the car deck which was higher than the waterline. The quickest way for water to flood the car deck is through the loading doors either from the bow or aft doors since these are already huge gaping holes in the hull. Any holes below the waterline would have improved the balance and it would have started sinking pretty much at even keel and would not have capsized in short minutes. It might and probably would have eventually but not in minutes. This is all basic physics and had been sadly demonstrated before in the case of MS Herald of Free Enterprise in 1987. We can speculate how and why exactly the bow visor failed but the most logical main reason for the sinking remains that the visor failed and car deck flooded.
Great work with the video! Also there is another MS Estonia memorial but in Hiiumaa, Tahkuna memorial, it's a pendulum bronze bell and also a closest point in Estonia to the sinking location of MS Estonia. I recomend to visit this place.
It wasn't only the mass of water ingressing the car deck, undoubtedly still begin huge. As the car deck was basically one open space, even small forces can lead to the water moving around (the free surface effect). This is what eventually lead to the initial list, which with more water coming in became a runaway process getting worse and worse.
It's very easy for people who don't remember this terrible accident to say let's move on and that's it. I remember that day very well and I can never say let's just move on and leave it at that. Yes, we can't bring back those drowned people, but the people who escaped or whose dear loved ones perished can't forget it for the rest of their lives. I think they should retain the right to find out what happened…
For all who cares, our accident investigation bureau(OTKES) has relesead the whole report, with all the photos and interviews down to build of the ship .
The Swedish government is hiding something. Estonia was a young country and was influenced by Sweden. Why would you want to cover the wreck and make it illegal to go there?
I wish someone impartial would take up the investigation since it is in international waters and Sweden can't really stop it. Maybe some American private company, since it's hard to trust any government with this. Help us, Elon Musk!
The problem remains that no expert can answer from the Swedish/Finnish maritime commission about why MS Estonia took in water under the car tires? There are several things that are also very scary about this case! It emerged in 2004 that Estonia was transporting military equipment under the Swedish flag, which was tried to be blacked out. Then there are a number of witnesses who survived Estonia who heard loud bangs on the boat, and screeching noises that were loud for several minutes before estonia start to sink. Is there quite a lot of information that is strange? which the ocean commission has tried to obscure.
30 years ago at this morning my mother woke me up. this was only thing she said. estonia sunk. i was 11 at the time. noone close to us died there. yet, she found that somehow so bad to wake me up for that. i can't remember anything from tv or elsewhere. tho i remember collapse of soviet union at 1991 perfectly. but i do remember that day now
Mayday was sent by unknown crew members. It was said that they were the helmsmen/navigators but they did not speak english well and they did not know the location of the ship at once and they had to check it from the map. The navigators should know the location of ship every minute.
The official investigation was full of total lies. I am the lecturer on ship mechanics in Estonian Naval School and I know something. The visor can be lift and removed BUT the visor is NOT connected with the front ramp and the ramp is holding the water outside, not visor. Ramp can be opened ONLY by humans and no way some waves can open the ramp. The ramp was actually pretty much closed during the disaster but it was a little bit open, aside. NOT totally open like the official report says — it was a total lie. More gaps. The bridge was almost totally silent during the disaster. Absence of pan pan signal at the beginning of the troubles was very strange. No signal for exit the passangers. Very strange. Official report does not mention this. Were officers dead, killed, executed?
I don't understand why they didn't salvage the ship, it's only 90 meters deep. no, we're going to bury the ship with stones and not get to the bottom of what happened, so you wonder what it is they don't want us to know.
Its time to left ship and fallen victims alone and in peace. You cant bring them back. Its time to move on. Military equipment transport nowadays in ferryes to, its not something new and not cause of accident. Clearly poor maintaining, bad loading, center of gravity is off. And Coincidences of circumstances it just happent, visor failed. Visor experience lot of stress, specialy in rough waves. And if center of gravity is off, then it can happen.
Thanks, it's a nice summary of the accident and the investigations. Interestingly I don't remember the accident. I was 5 years and 9 months old. Many of my classmates remember the evening that they saw the news (our most important TV news ran at 9PM every day). It's really hard to be sure what happened so many years ago, especially as we don't have video evidence. Sometimes I think that people should make peace with what has happened. It has been 30 years, plenty of time to grieve. For your own sanity, let it go, don't live in the past. A small grammatical suggestion: in Estonian it's correct to say "Mis juhtus LäänemereL". It was a ship, it sailed ON the sea, not in the sea.
Thank you for alerting me to the fact that it was the shipyard/builder that introduced the theory of explosions into the investigation.
So the conspiracy theories came from a big company not wanting to take blame. Ironic how this conspiracy is still going, conspiracy theorists listening to a big company and parroting their talking points. Pretty ironic…
Any person or government agency that destroyes or purposely gets rid of evidence is automatically GUILTY! Throwing the very piece of evidence away proves that they are hiding facts that show they're guilty. There are never mistakes like that in an investigation. The same goes on here in America. Everytime photos, Letter and evidence goes "missing" they are seen as guilty and the party that is harmed in the case automatically wins. We fly helicopters and they would have know immediately if the chopper was over weight and would set down immediately on land to adjust the cargo. They threw it in the ocean for one reason only. To protect the guilty! Governments will will work with ghe media to push misinformation to muddy the truth so over time no one knows what to believe. They've been doing it for decades.
The thing that made it a nightmare was when the ship listed, hallways became cliff, stairwell became maze, people trapped had no ways to escape without getting in deadly cold water.
This accident got me to be pretty scare of roll-on/roll-off ferry, whenever I got on one, I always make sure to find where is life raft and sit in the top deck if I can. They don't close the doors on some ferry lines in my country, ship just cross the sea with doors wide open, as most of the time, Gulf of Thailand is mostly calm, but still, I find this to be very reckless.
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The woman seen in 16:10 "Marge Rull" was actually my folk dance teacher and I remember her mentioning this to a student once when they were scared of performing. A powerful way of using the incident.
My explanation is simpler – http://heiwaco.com/jfkestonia3.htm
One of the most horrible way to go. Being trapped inside the ship in complete darkness while it's almost upside down knowing that you will be dead
The sinking of the Estonia is one of the least mysterious shipwrecks I know of. The bow visor locks simply weren’t up to modern standards. The ship had previously operated mostly in coastal areas where the sea conditions weren't particularly rough. It only started sailing between Tallinn and Stockholm in early 1993, and the conditions on that route are rougher than anywhere else in the Baltic Sea. The locking mechanism of the bow visor was too weak for such conditions, there was a severe storm on the night of the sinking, and the ship was traveling far too fast. It’s no surprise the bow visor failed, especially since there had already been issues with it before. Several former crew members have testified to this.
There’s also nothing unusual about the ship sustaining damage during the sinking. Some people seem to think that a sinking vessel gently floats down to the seabed like a falling leaf, but in reality, the impact is incredibly hard due to the ship’s massive weight. The water also creates significant resistance during the descent. Estonia’s stern hit the seabed first, and only after that did the ship slowly roll onto its side. Anyone with common sense can imagine the physical forces at play in such a situation, and no ship’s hull is built to withstand that kind of strain. I would have been astounded if the Estonia hadn’t sustained new damage during the sinking. The damage has only become visible now because the wreck is no longer in the exact same position as right after the sinking. The seabed or wreckage has likely shifted slightly over the years, revealing damage that wasn’t visible before.
This Swedish man in Stockholm is with Estonian roots Mikael Õun by name … not Ünn
Yes. Where is Avo Piht? Was he onboard, what was his role, was he really saved and brought to Turku University hospital? What new information can anybody have without diving to the wreck. And even if someone dives there, can he tell us anything new. Finally, if something possibly relevant is found down there, who is going interpret and explain the meaning of the finding. And who is going to believe anything? We are in such a phase that I just wait for someone connecting the Estonia accident and the Baltic sea anomaly somehow.
There is point of view which are based on public media but rarely spoken about. Before the Estonia sank, ms Diana II had issues with the bow visor. The Diana II was only about one year older than Estonia, built by the same ship builder and designed for the same route and operator the Estonia was initially sailing on. Some thirty years earlier, ms Apollo had serious problems with its visor. The ship was far smaller than the Estonia and Diana II, but the construction was quite a similar visor. The risks of the construction were known. Ms Svea and ms Wellamo, designed for the same Turku – Stockholm route but sailed by another operator, had a different bow gate and ramp system. These ships were built some five years after the V. Sally/Estonia and Diana II. So, the Meyer ship yard was on a thin ice when accusing the shipowners. Or at least, to make me change my mind, I have to get some new information.
About the conspiracies, there are always those who cannot accept the possibility of genuine unconsciousness. The more years pass the less likely we are to get any new information. The wreck is decaying, memories are altered, photos are bleached, persons directly involved with the accident will die one by one. The less we know and remember, the easier it is to fudge up misinformation. And sadly, there are always those who feel intelligent when they believe in anything that is not official. Sadly, they are nowadays able to find each other.
In order to respect victims, their families, rescue crews and anybody really involved in the accident, questions should be ansered if possible and rumours should not be shared. Sometimes telling the truth and a rumour apart is difficult, but in many cases we can know which one we hear.
I feel so embarrassed about how Sweden carried out this investigation. I think the decision to declare the boat wreck a gravesite, and in cosequence make it illegal to visit it for further investigations, was because the option to recover the bodies was considered too dangerous for divers to carry out. So instead the authorities wanted to protect the bodies where they laid, for instance from plunderers, by making it illegal to visit the gravesite. But making it in cosequence impossible to continue/repoen the investigation on the boat wreck at a later time was an incredibly stupid decision, also because the survivors never asked for this grave peace. I think they rather wanted the investigation to continue to get a clearer picture on what caused the accident, instead of covering it up with concrete. I blame the social democrats for this one, they were sitting in government during this time.
The bow visor fell of and water came in on the car deck End of story. No ship can handlet that.
Your work is always excellent. I have watched a few accounts of the Estonia including from Oceanliner Design YT channel, which also explained this quite well. Congratulations on your new car and look forward to more of this series. Best.
What was the name of the lying "documentary", which presented edited technical images from the official investigation document as truth and actually went to the accident site and supposedly couldn't find the (bed)rock there, only two meters or so from the wreck?
A huge tragedy for Estonia and Sweden. Also shocking and traumatizing for Finland that coordinated the rescue.
I'm a frequent passenger on these ferries, including the vessel that was in charge of the first response. When it arrived at the site, M/S Estonia had already gone underwater.
Can't believe that it's been 30 years. There's not one cruise when I don't take a moment to think about what happened.
Helicopter rescue operations were televised. We watched the news in school instead of classes that morning. I believe, though, that the nearby ferries took in most of the survivors before dawn.
As the day went on, it became clear that there wouldn't be many survivors at all. Those who managed to get out and on a life raft were suffering from severe hypothermia, and those who were in the water were simply too exhausted to keep their heads above water, even with a life vest on.
The weather was bad. The waves were said to be over three stories high.
I think that conspiracy theories are fueled by the human mind's resistance to accept that people could suffer such a horrible fate. We like to think there's something we could do but the truth is that it was so quick that most people onboard didn't even stand a chance.
You didn't mention that television crews recorded the captain of estonia getting into an ambulance after the sinking,never to be seen again. I have seen the clip myself. Why and where was he taken?
You have made A great documentary on a big tragedy. Very interesting as usual Matthias. Thanks för posting this 😎
Ferry/ship accidents really terrify me. In Asia, and especially in the Philippines and Indonesia, they happen much too frequently. I can't imagine how terrifying the sea is at night.
What are you zinking about?
Sorry made, but you are not up to date. This is a documentary that was shown in TV all over Scandinavia. I was hit by a Uboat https://youtu.be/t1Z4ID7git4?si=b7iioQoPa42Pfz5i
Quite a lot of controversial ferry accidents in Scandinavia. Estonia, Scandinavia star, ss københavn, m/s Skagerak, kjøbenhavn, mv Wilhelm gustloff, Goya etc.
The problem with some of the people who believe in these bomb and submarine theories is that they will never believe the explanations that won't comply with their beliefs. I am from Estonia myself and I remember the disaster. I was 7 years old at the time but still. I am an engineer now and granted I'm not a maritime engineer but I still have quite good understanding of physics. The fact is that the only way to make a ship like that capsize as fast as she did is to mess up its balance. And the easiest way to do that is to flood the car deck which was higher than the waterline. The quickest way for water to flood the car deck is through the loading doors either from the bow or aft doors since these are already huge gaping holes in the hull. Any holes below the waterline would have improved the balance and it would have started sinking pretty much at even keel and would not have capsized in short minutes. It might and probably would have eventually but not in minutes. This is all basic physics and had been sadly demonstrated before in the case of MS Herald of Free Enterprise in 1987. We can speculate how and why exactly the bow visor failed but the most logical main reason for the sinking remains that the visor failed and car deck flooded.
Great work with the video! Also there is another MS Estonia memorial but in Hiiumaa, Tahkuna memorial, it's a pendulum bronze bell and also a closest point in Estonia to the sinking location of MS Estonia. I recomend to visit this place.
This is the modern Day Titanic
Not many survived
It wasn't only the mass of water ingressing the car deck, undoubtedly still begin huge. As the car deck was basically one open space, even small forces can lead to the water moving around (the free surface effect). This is what eventually lead to the initial list, which with more water coming in became a runaway process getting worse and worse.
IMO it was not captain who called mayday.
It's very easy for people who don't remember this terrible accident to say let's move on and that's it. I remember that day very well and I can never say let's just move on and leave it at that. Yes, we can't bring back those drowned people, but the people who escaped or whose dear loved ones perished can't forget it for the rest of their lives. I think they should retain the right to find out what happened…
For all who cares, our accident investigation bureau(OTKES) has relesead the whole report, with all the photos and interviews down to build of the ship .
The Swedish government is hiding something. Estonia was a young country and was influenced by Sweden. Why would you want to cover the wreck and make it illegal to go there?
I wish someone impartial would take up the investigation since it is in international waters and Sweden can't really stop it. Maybe some American private company, since it's hard to trust any government with this. Help us, Elon Musk!
The problem remains that no expert can answer from the Swedish/Finnish maritime commission about why MS Estonia took in water under the car tires? There are several things that are also very scary about this case! It emerged in 2004 that Estonia was transporting military equipment under the Swedish flag, which was tried to be blacked out. Then there are a number of witnesses who survived Estonia who heard loud bangs on the boat, and screeching noises that were loud for several minutes before estonia start to sink. Is there quite a lot of information that is strange? which the ocean commission has tried to obscure.
30 years ago at this morning my mother woke me up. this was only thing she said. estonia sunk. i was 11 at the time. noone close to us died there. yet, she found that somehow so bad to wake me up for that. i can't remember anything from tv or elsewhere. tho i remember collapse of soviet union at 1991 perfectly. but i do remember that day now
Well covered thanks 😢
Elinor from Shipwreck Sunday covered this wreck today if you’d like another perspective. Her channel is very good. Highly detailed.
Mayday was sent by unknown crew members. It was said that they were the helmsmen/navigators but they did not speak english well and they did not know the location of the ship at once and they had to check it from the map. The navigators should know the location of ship every minute.
The official investigation was full of total lies. I am the lecturer on ship mechanics in Estonian Naval School and I know something.
The visor can be lift and removed BUT the visor is NOT connected with the front ramp and the ramp is holding the water outside, not visor. Ramp can be opened ONLY by humans and no way some waves can open the ramp. The ramp was actually pretty much closed during the disaster but it was a little bit open, aside. NOT totally open like the official report says — it was a total lie.
More gaps. The bridge was almost totally silent during the disaster. Absence of pan pan signal at the beginning of the troubles was very strange. No signal for exit the passangers. Very strange. Official report does not mention this. Were officers dead, killed, executed?
I don't understand why they didn't salvage the ship, it's only 90 meters deep. no, we're going to bury the ship with stones and not get to the bottom of what happened, so you wonder what it is they don't want us to know.
Imoprtant video. Very forgotten accident.
Hello mathias this reminds me of the herald of free enterprise great video
Its time to left ship and fallen victims alone and in peace. You cant bring them back. Its time to move on. Military equipment transport nowadays in ferryes to, its not something new and not cause of accident. Clearly poor maintaining, bad loading, center of gravity is off. And Coincidences of circumstances it just happent, visor failed. Visor experience lot of stress, specialy in rough waves. And if center of gravity is off, then it can happen.
Thanks, it's a nice summary of the accident and the investigations. Interestingly I don't remember the accident. I was 5 years and 9 months old. Many of my classmates remember the evening that they saw the news (our most important TV news ran at 9PM every day).
It's really hard to be sure what happened so many years ago, especially as we don't have video evidence. Sometimes I think that people should make peace with what has happened. It has been 30 years, plenty of time to grieve. For your own sanity, let it go, don't live in the past.
A small grammatical suggestion: in Estonian it's correct to say "Mis juhtus LäänemereL". It was a ship, it sailed ON the sea, not in the sea.
Nice video! Note: "bow" (the front of a ship) rhymes with "how". English pronunciation is a nightmare…
4:08 2 murders took place in Viking Sally, 1986 and 1987.
1987 victim was West German citizen and 1986 victim was Finnish.
Thank you for alerting me to the fact that it was the shipyard/builder that introduced the theory of explosions into the investigation.
So the conspiracy theories came from a big company not wanting to take blame. Ironic how this conspiracy is still going, conspiracy theorists listening to a big company and parroting their talking points. Pretty ironic…
Inside job 😃😃😃
One of the worst ship disasters ever…
Amazing work, love the work you put in to these video's, Hope you come to New Zealand some day and do some of our historical stories 😁
Big in Japan < Tallin Estonia
Any person or government agency that destroyes or purposely gets rid of evidence is automatically GUILTY!
Throwing the very piece of evidence away proves that they are hiding facts that show they're guilty. There are never mistakes like that in an investigation. The same goes on here in America. Everytime photos, Letter and evidence goes "missing" they are seen as guilty and the party that is harmed in the case automatically wins. We fly helicopters and they would have know immediately if the chopper was over weight and would set down immediately on land to adjust the cargo. They threw it in the ocean for one reason only. To protect the guilty!
Governments will will work with ghe media to push misinformation to muddy the truth so over time no one knows what to believe.
They've been doing it for decades.
amazing work! thank You for the shout-out!
I liked the explanation at the end explaining that this video is part of a series tied to a road trip. Looking forward to the next one.
The thing that made it a nightmare was when the ship listed, hallways became cliff, stairwell became maze, people trapped had no ways to escape without getting in deadly cold water.
This accident got me to be pretty scare of roll-on/roll-off ferry, whenever I got on one, I always make sure to find where is life raft and sit in the top deck if I can. They don't close the doors on some ferry lines in my country, ship just cross the sea with doors wide open, as most of the time, Gulf of Thailand is mostly calm, but still, I find this to be very reckless.